Was Hitler a Christian or not and can you source anything else but table talks ?

sophisticatesophia:

hitlerian:

I can just spam you with quotes but I won’t.
Let’s instead first use common sense and observation.
If Hitler was Christian it would’ve been so obvious. Why?
Because a country with a Christian leader would’ve looked far more different than Third Reich.

Let’s look at Hitler cabinet first.
Why would Christian leader put pagan anti-christian guy to lead his elite, pagan guy to lead his youth, pagan anti-christian guy as spiritual and philosophical educator of the Party and all related organizations, anti-christian as Propaganda minister and pagan and probably the most anti-christian guy of them all as head of Party Chancellery. And who knows how many officials were there of similar views. Walther Darre and Walter Gross come to mind. Very important names as well.

Makes no sense right?
Especially with SS and Hitler Youth.
If Hitler was Christian why didn’t he put some very pious Catholics as leaders instead. SS was racial and spiritual elite.
You would think Christian leader would have them go to mass every week.
Instead:

ā€œWhen Hitler and Mussolini were lunching alone on Obersalzberg
one day, Hitler brought the talk round to the subject of religion. The
conversation rambled in general terms over the question of the Vatican and the
Church. Hitler pointed out that not only the Italian royal house was causing
the Duce difficulties but also the Church, which was why it was necessary for
Mussolini to react and ā€˜explain things’ to the people. When the Duce shook his
giant head lightly from side to side and asked by his stare how that was to be
achieved in Italy, of all places, Hitler said to me in an aside: ā€˜Linge, do you
go to church? How many men of my SS bodyguard and theĀ LeibstandarteĀ attend services?’
I told him the truth: ā€˜None,
mein Führer’
. This hit Mussolini literally like a low blow. He stared at me
speechless with large eyes. Hitler lapped up this enjoyable little scene.ā€

~ With Hitler to the End, Heinz LingeĀ 

ā€œJust like the breaking of natural
man
, so do the most pronounced representatives of the Christian faith pursue
the deadening of inwardness, too. Vivacity and life joy, love and passion, the
unprejudiced enjoyment of the natural and beautiful, are in themselves already
sinful; they must be suppressed and deadened. Once this has happened, then the
man is robbed of the actuality in his soul. He has lost the deepest and
innermost, which the creator has put inside him. Soulless, cold tool remains
left, only executing will and servile reason; dead is disposition in its
richness and in its fullness, dead is the innermost of the soul.ā€

~ SS Christianity pamphlet

How can anyone look at this and thinkĀ ā€œWow this really speaks to my Christian soul.ā€Ā 

Just google Third Reich Art and Architecture. Look at the statues Arno Breker made.Ā 


Hitler Youth was the future of Germany. They were the ones taught in NS doctrine from birth, prepared to one day lead the volk.

Let’s first just have a look at them. Sorry for lq images.Ā 

I don’t know about you but that just screams PAGAN to me.

If Hitler was Christian those kids would’ve had Christian crosses on their flags, and they would certainly not camp in pagan longhouses with runes on them.

Would Christian leader allow this to happen?

ā€œThe Nazis discouraged Catholic education in schools, the convents and monasteries were dissolved and their property confiscated, and the Jesuits were driven out of influence everywhere.ā€ The Hitler Youth sung such verses as, ā€œI am neither Christian nor Catholic, I am for the SA through thin and thick.ā€Ā 

~Ā 

David Irving, The War Path

Some HJ songs:

Imagine Christian king letting this happen:

Or letting his high official say this:

These excerpts are fromĀ 

The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich : Facts and Documents andĀ Confronting the Nazi War on Christianity: The ā€œKulturkampfā€ Newsletters, 1936-1939.Ā 
Search #NSWAC on my blog to read more about NS War Against Christianity.


Christianity was on its way out in Germany. Some wanted it destroyed right away, some wanted to just let it rot on its own.

ā€œThe Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed. The Führer is a convinced vegetarian on principle.ā€

~ Goebbels Diaries, 29 December 1939

Also, using Mein Kampf or quotes from Hitler’s public speeches to disapprove what I wrote won’t work.Ā 
1) Because it would be political suicide to go against Christianity publicly.
2) Actions speak louder than words.

Does this mean Germany was reverting to its old ways of worshiping Odin, Thor and Freya?
No.
But they did draw heavily from their own Ancient Germanic Faith as it was clearly shown.
National Socialism is in its essence Pagan Worldview. With pagan virtues and values and pagan attitude towards Life.

Where Christianity proclaimed the World sinful and shunned it, National Socialism embraced it and put the sacred back into it.

God was no longer confined in stone walls of the church but was heard in songs of the birds, seen in mountain’s peaks, felt in the smell of the forests.

ā€œIn quiet and
stormy nights, in moonlight or in snow storms, we lads found ourselves together
and swore eternal struggle against all un-German essence. At the shine of the fire
we consecrated our flags and pennants and gained energy and courage for new struggle.
And if we then, a devout unit, stood out there on lonely heights, gazed into the
bright blazing flames of pure fire, if we gazed out into the broad German land,
if we looked up toward the distant stars in the dark sky of the silent night, a
mysterious yearning passed through our young hearts. It was the yearning into the
distance, the yearning for the eternal wellsprings of German life, the yearning
for God.ā€

~ God and Folk

HH

The above is a great post!!!!! Kudos!!!!! This Hitler Christian myth is just that a fabrication to deceive people as to the real motives of Adolph Hitler and to harm the church. Here is a re-post of what I have written on the subject.Ā 

Hitler Joins Pantheon of Famous Christians

When I think of the Christian faith I think of the greats like the Apostle Paul, Peter and Mary. Billy Graham is somewhere on the list as is C.S. Lewis and Martin Luther King. But, now atheists would like to place Hitler on the list of great Christian apologists.

Of course this is ridiculous on its face but let’s play along for just a minute. For the premise to hold any water at all, you have to accept two things. Ā First, that you could take the words in speeches and in the ramblings of Mein Kampf as true to his beliefs and also that a Catholic baptismal and confirmation certificates has meaning to Hitler as an adult. Let’s dispense with the later first.

Hitler was born in 1889 to a strict government employee and an education was expected. His father controlled young Hitler’s life until 1903 when Hitler’s old man died. Adolph continued in school but dropped out by 1905. When you look at actual schools and time periods you find that starting in 1895 he attended a government school in Fischlham (something some neglect to mention). He continued there until 1897. His family moved to Leonding in 1898 to 1905 for again state run grammar and grade school then dropped out. His supposed Catholic education was crammed between Fischlham and Leonding government schools in the Lambach Monastery or only 6 months of young Adolph’s life!

Further, biographer John Toland in his seminal work Hitler (1997 Ed; pp. 18) said at Hitlers confirmation ceremony that Hitler’s confirmation sponsor said he nearly had to ā€œdrag the words out of him… almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to himā€.

Lastly, Hitler loved Catholic school so much that he forced the shut down of all Catholic schools in 1939 and the Catholic press in 1941???? How do people miss this fact (unless they are wanting to deceive)?

To sum up he attended very little Catholic school, didn’t even want to be confirmed and when able, closed Catholic schools in all of Germany.

As any practicing Christian can tell you, actions in accordance with the Christian faith are paramount to any words spoken. The Bible tell Christians to watch out for deceivers and that we are to be wary of wolves in sheep’s clothing Ā and that ā€œYou will know them by their fruits.ā€ Ā In other words what a person says or what they write is not a proof of the Christian faith but, how they live their lives. Hitler’s life was antithetical to a Christian life. Therefore he was no Christian. This is despite what grade school he attended (for 6 months) and the presence of a finely printed parchment. Much has been made of his religious up bringing, but in context to his whole life religion has little to do with Hitler. Ā 

So then we are left with just words. Powerful as they may be, they were public words of a madman and a politician. The speeches and even Mein Kampf have been discredited as nothing more than pure propaganda, hyperbole and the ramblings of a sociopath. To somehow equate this to a deep religious faith is disingenuous to say the least. He was speaking to a Christian audience for affect and nothing more. Remember about a third of all Germans were in fact Catholic prior to World War II. What holds more weight is private conversations such as you will find in Hitler’s Table Talk. In that work, Hitler is credited with the following statements: Ā 

ā€œThe heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.ā€ pg 7

ā€œā€¦the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.ā€ pg 61
ā€œIt’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.ā€ pg 61
ā€œIn the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.ā€ pg 6
ā€œKerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.ā€ pg 145
ā€œAs far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.ā€ pg 394
ā€œThere is something very unhealthy about Christianity.ā€ pg 418

There are many other quotes in the book and I would recommend reading it to become more knowledgeable. It clearly shows that Hitler was no Christian at all just a deceiver.

In fact, for an interesting twist, Hitler was more attracted to militant Islam and the expansionist dogma of Muhammad and viewed Christianity as weakness. This is evidenced by the writings of Albert Speer, Hitler’s Minister of Armaments and War Production. He wrote that Hitler privately told him, ā€œThe Mohammedan religion … would have been much more compatible to us [Germans] than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?ā€ (Speer, Albert. Inside the Third Reich (New York: Avon, 1971, p. 734).

Lastly, those that push the insane narrative of Hitler’s faith are usually atheist; the very same atheists that will not take speeches as evidence of the Christianity of the founders of the US. Yet they site those in Hitler’s case all the time. Why the double standard? Because they are not interested in facts and reasonable conclusions. They are interested in defaming the Christian faith anyway they can, even if it means leaving out facts or drawing completely nonsensical conclusions, yet the lie continues to propagate that Hitler was a Christian. Hitler was no Graham, no Lewis and no Luther. He was evil incarnate and not a faithful Catholic. Just for complete disclosure…I am not Catholic either.