kyloren-sucks-deactivated201809:

Headcanon ≠ Canon.

As of this date, Kyle has NOT been confirmed to have any mental illness in canon. It is purely headcanon. And it is FINE to headcanon that!

The problem comes when you force that headcanon down the throats of everyone else. Because not everyone will like the headcanon, or maybe they don’t understand it. And that’s ALSO fine! NO ONE should be forced to conform with any headcanon.

In addition, being mentally ill DOES NOT excuse you or your sh!tty actions. Do we excuse serial killers because they are mentally ill? Of course not. Mental illness provides a REASON for a certain behavior, but not an EXCUSE.

There are, of course, exceptions to this. This can be evident in modern criminal justice systems.

For example, in the USA, when faced with criminal charges, there is the Insanity Defense. I linked the Wikipedia article here, but the short definition, per FindLaw, states:

“A criminal defendant who is found to have been legally insane when he or
she committed a crime may be found not guilty by reason of insanity. In
some cases, the defendant may be found guilty but sentenced to a less
severe punishment due to a mental impairment. In states that allow the
insanity defense, defendants must prove to the court that they did not
understand what they were doing; failed to know right from wrong; acted
on an uncontrollable impulse or some variety of these factors”.

There are several things to unpack here.

First, note that this defense does not always work. In fact, the success rate of the Insanity Defense in the USA, per the Wikipedia article I linked above, is only 26%.

Second, a person may be found guilty, but due to their mental illness, will be sentenced to a less severe punishment. The Court recognizes the mental illness, but still finds YOU responsible. In this case, mental illness may be the reason for the act, but NOT the excuse.

And finally, the conditions under which the Insanity Defense is found acceptable are limited. As stated above, the defendant MUST show one or more of three conditions: 1) inability to understand what they were doing, 2) cannot tell right from wrong, and/or 3) uncontrollable impulse.

From THIS DEFINITION ALONE, Kyle fits NONE of these conditions. He CLEARLY knows right from wrong (the light vs. the dark side). He CLEARLY understands what he is doing (he knew he was killing Han, he knew he would have killed Leia, he knew he was going to kill Luke, etc.). And he CLEARLY has the ability to CONTROL his actions (this is especially evident when he kills S/noke). Therefore, in a USA court of law, Kyle would not be able to successfully use the Insanity Defense.

thank you

antikylo-antibullshit:

reyloisnasty:

dankobah:

kylo ren literally has BPD and everyone who calls him a crybaby is actually the worst person for it?  

having bpd doesn’t turn you into a mass murderer but go off i guess….

And us hating someone that you headcanon as being mentally ill doesn’t say anything about us lol. The only thing he “literally” is is a fictional representation of neonazism so…

lol, nope OP: kylo ren isn’t “mentally ill”, he’s not deep, he’s nothing more than a whiny emo bitch, a crybaby (you know, just like illidan stormrage, garrosh hellscream, and MCU loki)

thelastjedicritical:

I saw a post that made me think … it was about how a woman wrote a screenplay where a group of girls kills a guy who abused and raped one of them. All of the other women in her writing class thought he deserved what he got and hated him. The men didn’t hate him enough and the professor even suggested – in all seriousness – that she should make the guy also kick a dog.

Now this reminded me of the Star Wars fandom and Kylo Ren. I loathe this guy. And three of the main reasons why I hate him is what we saw him do to Rey, Finn and Poe. However this seems to constantly be forgotten and denied and excused by the fandom. Now I wonder … if he had done this to a dog instead of a white woman and a black man and a Latino man… would people actually perceive this as truly bad, while they try to find excuses for his actions now?

And did RJ relate so much to Kylo Ren and saw him as not quite that bad bc he did this to people RJ himself can’t relate to??

in the media recently, any villain who isn’t depicted as overly sympathetic is considered “bland”, “one-dimensional”, “uninteresting” and “boring.”

with that in mind, when Jar Jar Abrams and Darth Kath heavily politicized Star Wars, to the point where the First Order are so heavily coded as the national socialist german workers party (which is funny considering how many scenes we have of women and black men among the FO: THE FIRST ORDER!), anything that was part of them was considered thoroughly evil.

now i don’t like kylo ren because he’s a whiny emo you-know-what, emotionally unstable, and a giant man-child. i don’t empathize with him, no matter how much Rian Johnson thought he was the “superior” villain to Smeagol and sacrificed him to build up emo ren. but i will say this: i feel that a lot of people hating on him are doing so because they’re conflicted. when the writer and director are throwing political messages left, right, and center, while at the same time over-fellatiating the sympathetic, misunderstood villain trope by having a handsome actor play the emo villain AND have him have some attraction to the protagonist (who strangely enough reciprocates his feelings in some messed up way, despite having no reason to as stated IN THE FILM ITSELF!), it creates a hot mess in general